[Disney California Adventure] Placemaking et futur du Parc

Ils avaient pas dit que le budget était étalé sur plusieurs années, là on ils ont révélé que la première phase à ce que j'ai compris.

Et puis c'est 1Milliard pour DCa ou pour tout le resort ? Parce qu'entre l'extension du Grand Californian, et une possible extension du Downtown Disney District et d'autres trucs à prendre en considération.

100 millions pour The Little Mermaid??? Tu y vas pas un peu fort Grandmath? C'est plus cher que la TOT!!!

mysto a écrit:

Et puis c'est 1Milliard pour DCa ou pour tout le resort ? Parce qu'entre l'extension du Grand Californian, et une possible extension du Downtown Disney District et d'autres trucs à prendre en considération.

Non non le budget n'englobe aucune construction annexe à DCA (hôtels, Downtown Disney, Disneyland Park). Il n'englobe pas non plus Toy Story Mania qui ouvrira cette année, et à ce que j'avais lu, pas non plus le show WWOC qui était déjà financé (que j'ai pourtant compté dans le budget).

Pour la Petite Sirène, le budget est celui d'un Phantom Manor: un E-Ticket à part entière. C'est à peu près le même budget que la TOT de DCA. D'ailleurs on a beau dire, mais la TOT ne coûte pas tant que ça (pour la gueule qu'elle a)... vous seriez surpris de savoir ce qui coûte le plus cher dans cette attraction.

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vous seriez surpris de savoir ce qui coûte le plus cher dans cette attraction

Ah bah, si, si, surprend nous. Dis nous tout !

J'hésite entre la machinerie de la gaine d'ascenseur ou bien le système du véhicule en lui-même...

Je pense que ce qui coûte le plus cher n'est pas l'attraction en elle même mais sa thématisation. Quand on y réfléchit, thématiser un hôtel de 60 mètres de haut dans ses moindres recoins, des jardins l'entourant, un lobby, 2 bibliothèques, une immense salle des machines, 6 cabines d'ascenseur, de nombreux couloirs de sortie et une boutique, ça n'est pas donné.
Autre option, si ce n'est pas la thématisation qui a coûté le plus cher, j'opterais pour le système informatique de sécurité.
Vas-y Grandmath, dis-nous tout!

Non, il s'agit du système qui pousse et tire le véhicule dans/depuis la cage d'ascenseur. Un truc invisible pour les visiteurs, qui ne paye pas de mine, et qui pourtant, multiplié par 6 (6 véhicules), représente un tiers du budget de la Tot...

Mais bon on est un peu HS là

Eh bien, faut pas demander ce que devait coûter la fameuse scène de la "cinquième dimension" en Floride...

DCA Update

There may be lots of change coming to decades old attractions and locations at Disneyland, but over in DCA it's all about the future. The new Midway Mania ride is heading into its last few months of testing and working out the kinks. While the WDW version of the ride shoehorned into an existing building will be opening later this spring, the DCA version in the custom built facility won't see its first riders until the middle of June.

While the ride itself is looking very promising, and may make the Buzz Lightyear ride at Disneyland look almost boring by comparison, it's the exterior of the building that should signal the most positive change for DCA as a whole (shown below). Now that the exterior is almost complete and has just a few finishing touches and landscaping to complete, you can see very clearly the new design direction coming to the rest of Paradise Pier later in 2008 and in to 2009.


As the weeks go by, a few more changes have been made to the final plans, such as the recent elimination of the Orange Stinger instead of simply moving the ride slightly to the north and putting it in a newly designed Victorian era facility. But the important thing is that massive change really is coming to DCA, and the new fa硤e of the Midway Mania building gives a great preview of the newly raised showmanship standards WDI is using in place of the cheap route Paul Pressler originally forced them to take with the park back in '01.

We'd told you in a previous update the great progress being made with the impressive new Little Mermaid ride coming in 2011, and the mind blowing World of Color lagoon show now set to debut during Disneyland's growing 55th Anniversary party in 2010. But just to the east of the radically revamped Paradise Pier area will sit the crown jewel of the DCA makeover, the sprawling Cars Land addition to the park. Out of the three major attractions coming to this new area, it's the Radiator Springs Racers family thrill ride that has everyone in WDI the most excited.


This one is being referred to as a "Super E Ticket" by folks internally, as the scale of the show scenes and the scope of the entire facility approaches or surpasses some of the biggest and grandest E Ticket attractions that Disney has done anywhere in the world. The budget on this one ride is just as impressive as the towering red cliffs that will camouflage the huge show building, as the price tag attached to the ride has recently crept above the 300 Million mark. Yes, you read that right, 300 Million dollars for this one ride alone.

Needless to say, Radiator Springs Racers is going to be impressive, and the type of huge new ride that only Disney Imagineers with a big budget and full executive support could create. More importantly, it's shaping up to be the type of mega-ride that people plan vacations for. The long and winding indoor/outdoor track layout has been decided on now, but the final decisions on the exact sequence of the show scenes still hasn't had buyoff from John Lasseter and Bob Iger. That executive blessing should be wrapped up before Easter, although Lasseter will continue to be closely involved with this big budget project right until the Cars Land opening day in early 2012.


While the thrilling glamour rides will appear in Cars Land and around Paradise Pier, work is also underway on the main entrance demolition and the smaller Hollywood revamp. The plan to turn MuppetVision 3D into a flexible digital theater facility, after the proposal to put Mickey's Philharmagic there proved far too troublesome, has been shelved for now. While it was a nifty concept that sounded especially good to animation geeks, the operational reality of having an empty theater sit there the majority of the time in between conferences and special performances has put the kibosh on the digitial theater plans.

For now MuppetVision will soldier on through the end of this decade, although now there is some talk of simply including that theater space into an entirely different concept for a new ride yet to be decided on. Matt Ouimet made a brief push around 2004 to get a new version of Rock N' Roller Coaster added to that area of DCA, and while that roller coaster may not make the cut a second time having that extra space to work with should help broaden the list of proposals.


In the meantime, final planning and art direction is going full steam ahead in Glendale on the new main entrance and the Carthay Circle Theater housing the new Walt Disney Story attraction (shown above). Just after our last update some folks from WDI briefly installed some support towers and cables along Hollywood Boulevard to see for themselves just how the scale of the new Red Car trolley line would fit in with that section of the park. The Red Car attraction and its kinetic eye candy is coming along nicely, although its budget has also grown recently once it was learned just how expensive it will be to accurately reproduce the custom built 1920's versions of those iconic electric trolleys.

And what of that DCA Preview Center everyone is waiting to arrive so they can see all of the WDI sketches and models for themselves? Well, it's moved again. As we mentioned in a previous update, the preview center was first being proposed for the empty San Francisco row houses, only to be booted from there when the Little Mermaid ride grew in scale so much that it overtook the adjacent bathrooms. Then there was a proposal to house the preview center exhibits in a temporary tent out in the Esplanade, in almost the same place as the original DCA Preview Center of 10 years ago.

But now it looks like the Preview Center will be going into the Seasons Of The Vine theater at the Golden Vine Winery (shown below). Since Mondavi walked away from that facility after the first dismal summer for DCA in 2001, that clever little show has been operated by the Cast Members of the nearby restaurant. And since the troubled Disneyland Foods department hasn't been able to keep themselves staffed correctly enough to even cover all the open busboy shifts, they certainly weren't going to spend any extra labor to staff and run that winery movie.


The end result was a minor attraction that was routinely left abandoned and unstaffed for hours at a time, with the average daily attendance in the last few years only reaching about two or three dozen viewers per day. The theater will have to be reconfigured to house the exhibits and displays, and it may be a bit smaller than the San Francisco building, but at least they can get this fledgling concept off the ground and open to curious DCA visitors. Let's just hope that DCA park management has the good sense to staff the center with Cast Members who are specifically trained to work that location, instead of having overworked servers trying to operate a theater attraction in between tables.

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Vous vous souvenez de ce concept-art pour l'intérieur de l'attraction interactive "New Walt Disney Story"?

Eh bien oubliez le!! Les détails ici:

Goodbye Walt
We'd told you in previous updates about other minor elements of the plan that had been changed or deleted, like the drive-in movie restaurant in CarsLand that has been shelved for opening day, or the saga of the 3-D theater in Hollywood that went from Philharmagic to digital flex theater to remaining as MuppetVision for the foreseeable future. Since then there have been some other recent changes to the plan, although most of it signals good news for all but the diehard Walt fans.

The most recent change from what was announced by Jay Rasulo in October involves the plans for the Carthay Circle Theater in the new 1920's entry plaza. The theater will still be built, but when the area debuts to the public in 2011 you won't be going inside. Originally the plan for the recreation of the theater where Walt Disney premiered Snow White and the Seven Dwarves in 1937 was that it would house an elaborate and impressive new "Walt Disney Story" exhibit and show.
The plan was to take the Walt Disney Story concept (which debuted in the Disneyland Opera House in 1973) and pump it full of 21st century technology and healthy funding. A fancy lobby would be full of Walt memorabilia and Disney curios, with a very lavish art deco theater showing a multimedia show about Walt's vision for the new art forms he continually created throughout his career. The original dollar funding for the interior of the building was to be upwards of 40 million dollars, with additional funding used for the creation of the show itself. But that was before WDI took the plan to the planners and managers at TDA.

The Team Disney Anaheim (TDA) folks took one look at the plan and almost immediately started asking questions about the need for such an attraction. This Carthay Circle Theater presentation would cover the same subject material and likely have much of the same imagery as previous versions shown in the Disneyland Opera House, most recently as The First 50 Magical Years show that is still playing to crowds that dwindle by the month. The TDA planners began to seriously question the need for yet another theater show in a park roundly criticized in visitor surveys as being too light on rides and too heavy on shows and movies.

Surely the show dedicated to Walt would be mobbed in the first few months by the hardcore fans, as the average tourist ran right past it on their way to CarsLand. But once the initial buzz wore off, TDA was very concerned that this was a facility that would die a slow and painful death and be more popular as a venue rented out for corporate cocktail parties rather than substantially adding to the public allure of the newly rechristened park. Some serious haggling went on over the winter between the Imagineers dreaming of creating yet another tribute about Walt's life and the more realistic managers in TDA who were worried about operating a theme park that people would actually pay full fare to get in to.
The nail in the coffin came with the ballooning budget for the elaborate Pacific Electric Railway Red Car system to be installed from the DCA entrance back through the Hollywood section. When the Imagineers realized that running high capacity electric trolley lines down the middle of a busy theme park full of kids holding Mylar balloons would prove to be a real design challenge, the costs for the installation of this custom built trolley line began to skyrocket. With the Red Car attraction needing more money, and with the Walt Disney Story receiving lots of pushback from TDA, the decision was made to abandon plans for another tribute to Walt in Anaheim.

The Carthay Circle Theater will still be built, and it will still be a faithful reproduction in all its 1920's glory, but when the new main entrance debuts in 2011 the building will be an empty façade. There are plans to include a couple of pocket spaces along the side of the building for stores or food locations, but the bulk of the building originally meant to house a lavish lobby and grand theater will remain empty for now. Perhaps in the future some new concept to fill the space will be pitched and approved, but the last thing TDA wants right now for DCA is yet another theater show.

Hello Abe
The good news is that this has given a new lease on life to the Disneyland Opera House, and attention has turned yet again to what could be done with that theater.
Bringing back Mr. Lincoln and revamping the leftover 50th displays into a more general exhibit about Walt's vision for Disneyland is the current choice, although a decision or funding has not been approved yet.

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Quand à l'entrée du parc pendant les travaux:

Goodbye C A L I F O R N I A
Once construction on the Carthay Circle Theater and the rest of DCA's new entrance does finally get underway in early 2009, the plan for getting folks into the park was reexamined. Now that TDA has had some time to look at WDI's construction timeline more fully, and once they realized just how much money they pull in each year renting out the old Millionaire building to events like corporate dinners or cheerleading competitions, the plan to bring in people through a hole in the fence on the east side of the park was scrapped.

Instead, the plan now is to use the same scenario but on the opposite side of the main entrance. The big utility gates adjacent to La Brea Bakery will now be used as the temporary entrance into DCA during parts of 2009 and 2010, with temporary turnstiles and support services installed on the road that leads along the east end of the Soarin' Over California hangar.

There are still lots of details to work out, and it's not going to be very pretty for awhile, but with the unprecedented task of completely rebuilding the entrance to a Disney theme park at hand this is really the only option. This type of massive reconstruction has never been done before at any Disney theme park, or any major operating theme park for that matter, and it only proves just how flawed the DCA design was to begin with.

Too bad people who knew better at that time, like Marty Sklar over at WDI, were keeping quiet about these kind of boondoggles back then. You have to wonder how anyone involved with such a complete and total misfire can be taken seriously when they fire off e-mails on misguided current projects?

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Et la Petite Sirène:

Hello Princesses
Meanwhile, the Little Mermaid attraction continues to morph into a lavish musical dark ride on a grand scale. The building itself is being finalized as an ornate Edwardian-era aquarium that could have been found at San Francisco's 1915 World's Fair, while the clamshell Omnimover ride inside will include some of WDI's most advanced animatronics to date performing in the half dozen toe tapping musical numbers. In addition to the ride, an attached water play area on the west end of the facility themed to King Triton is being fleshed out with plenty of interactive bells and whistles.

While the area across the way from the Little Mermaid will begin its transformation into a formal civic park conveniently terraced for nightly viewing of the World of Color show on the lagoon, the fancy architecture of the Little Mermaid building is now planned to sweep onwards towards the current Ariel's Grotto restaurant. Tapping into the marketing success of the Disney Princesses line, that restaurant is now slated to undergo a big makeover in 2010 with WDI's current working title labeling it as the "Princess Palace."
The modern edges of the current facility built originally as a hip Wolfgang Puck restaurant will be replaced with frilly if not just plain garish Princess opulence that only a 7 year old girl from the suburbs could truly appreciate. There will still be an attached bar for Dad, and evening seatings on the waterside patio will be reserved for high cost dining and viewing of World of Color shows, but the daytime at DCA's new Princess Palace will be ruled by the rhinestone tiara set.

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Autant je peux comprendre le principe de la suppression de l'expo sur Disney (il suffit de voir comment leur extraordinaire version de l'Art de l'animation est vide pour comprendre que ce genre d'expo interactive n'attire pas les foules), autant je ne peux pas comprendre qu'ils ne mettent rien à la place ! Ils créent un bâtiment qui est censé être le nouvel icone de DCA et il s'agira d'une façade creuse !!!!
Et je veux bien que l'argent économisé va pemettre d'améliorer certains concepts existants, mais DCA a non seulement besoin de qualité, mais aussi de quantité ! Or, au train où vont les choses, on finira par avoir moins d'attractions qu'avant le makeover du parc !
Jugez plutôt: ajout d'un nouveau show nocturne, de deux DR (Toy Story Mania et Little Mermaid) du mega E-ticket Cars et de deux manèges dans Carsland. Mais, dans le même temps, on perd la parade électrique, Baliboomer, la plupart des manèges de Paradise Pear, le film Golden Dream, etc. Même si le parc aura des nouveautés d'un niveau largement supérieur à ce qui disparaît, il n'y a à l'arrivée pratiquement pas d'augmentation du nombre de choses à faire ou à peine. Et pourtant, on parle quand même d'une enveloppe d'un milliard de dollars !

Peut-être que quand WDI arrêtera de jeter l'argent par les fenêtres...

C'est clair que lorsqu'on lit que l'expo sur Disney aurait coûté 40 millions de dollars, on croit rêver ! Pour des vitrines, une jolie déco et des activités interactives arriver à une telle somme tient du délire !

Surtout quand on voit ce qu' Universal Creative peut faire avec des budgets 2 fois moins importants... Mais bon c'est vrai, y'a pas la magiiiiiiie!

Ah là là, chaque nouvel article d'Al Lutz amène son lot de déceptions...

Combien de projets ont été abandonnés depuis les premières annonces de ce méga-développement?

Philharmagic, spinning coaster Ratatouille à la place de Muholland Madness, preview center à San Francisco, Restaurant drive in sur Cars, maintenant le Walt Disney Story....

Tout ce qu'on nous confirme, c'est que Radiator Springs Racers et La Petite Sirène seront de qualité. Pour le reste je ne vois que des pas en arrière.

Certes le "musée" sur Walt n'aurait certainement pas été blindé, mais aurait convenu à l'icone du Parc. Et puis c'est quand même le moins que l'on puisse faire pour honorer le créateur de tout cela. Comme cela est fait en Floride! Après dépenser 40 millions pour l'intérieur je trouve ça ridicule et hautement improbable quand on voit le prix de certaines méga-villas luxueuses qui sont 10 fois moins chères.

Bref tant que tout ne sera pas confirmé, c'est avec une certaine anxiété que je découvre chaque changements du projet...

Pour le Preview Center c'est pas supprimé mais déplacé car ils ne pouvait plus le faire à San Francisco, ca remplacera donc Seasons of the Vine qui a fermé il y'a quelques jours car il n'attirait presque pas de visiteurs et était géré par food...

Planning continues in Disney's Wall Land. For the next four years we get walls to make up for Pressler's Hellspawn... even after these renovations/expansions are complete there will be plenty of work to do to DCA. When all is said and done in 2016 the park(and Resort, for that matter) will be quite lovely and quite grand, not to mention all the buzz Disney Geeks will be having about the construction going on across the street in what used to be the employee parking lot(that's a story for a much later day). But come the fifteenth anniversary of DCA, the Disneyland Resort will have finally become what it was supposed to be when Eisner first came up with the idea: a resort. A REAL Resort...

As anyone that has visited the park knows there's a lot of construction going on... trust me, it's going to get a lot worse a year from now. Worse in a good way, I mean. I mean there will be plenty of walls and confusion for guest but the end results will be worth it.

The first area to be done is the Paradise Pier section. The plans call for it to be done by spring 2010, but timetables slip as has happened with the stores and games next to the new Midway Mania ride. They were all supposed to be done when the ride opens up, but it may not get completed until late fall/early holiday if another infusion of cash doesn't come soon. There was a lot more spent on Midway than was expected and the result is there won't be enough money to complete it in the current fiscal quarter so the Suits may wait until the start of the new quarter to get going on this. There is also a plan which is awaiting approval to build a more permanent structure for King Triton's Carousel of the Sea, one that will take the place of the cheap tarp and exposed beams that decorate it now. Picture more of a gazebo type structure that is in line with the roof of the Midway Mania ride. It hasn't been approved yet as WDI is trying to convince management that there is need to go on and construct this so that by the fall it will blend in with the rest of the renovated pier. Then there is the remodel of the Orange Stinger. This one is going to try and create the feel of an open air swing set you would have found at a turn-of-the-century coastal pier along the lines of what one imagines Santa Barbara would have looked like. Gone will be the giant orange peel and in its place will be... well, nothing really. Don't get me wrong, it's supposed to be themed in detail to a Victorian area ride, but guest will be riding the swings right out in the open. There be flags and canopies around the outer edge and the elevator shaft will have a Victorian roof and siding to give it the borrowed appearance of something more permanent. By late spring of 2010 everything should be done around PP with the exception of The Little Mermaid ride. That should be in the early process of construction by then. Around this time Sunshine Plaza will be chaos with the closing of the entrance by summer at the latest if WDI is to have this front entrance done in time for the tenth anniversary.

Anyone that's seen Mr. Potato Head over in rehearsals at the TSMM ride will understand just how detailed and elaborate the AA's in the new Cars Land will be. And there will be plenty of them. There will be dozens, if the plans I saw go through of Audio Animatronic characters all throughout this land. Particularly on the main ride: "Radiator Springs Racers". The range and motion of all these characters will make this ride a stop for boys young and old each and everytime the park is entered. The sustainability of this land has been something that Imagineers have planned on for the remainder of the next decade as it will have several bells and whistles that will make this THE premiere land in Walt Disney's California... uhm. Scratch that. Let's just call it DCA for now since no name has been set in stone yet.

We've talked before about the areas in Golden State and the Expansion/Makeover of the Hollywood Backlot area, but most of that won't happen until 2012 or 2013 most likely. Plans for the Second Phase of the park really are in their earliest of stages as the Imagineers focus on what lies ahead in the next few years. By 2012 DCA will have come a long way... not as far as it should, but most will find the park a refreshing alternative to Disneyland, and yet an inviting sibling in terms of the experience guest get visiting the park...

One final note about DCA... expect when the Paradise Pier is open to have some of the lovin' that Disney gets to happen over in the Pier. By that I mean: premieres. Should the Makeover of PP be done by summer there are tentative plans to have the premiere of "Toy Story 3" there. Just like the Pirates events that happened over on the other side of the Esplanade, this little park is about to have some major events come 2010... and if you think that's big, just wait until Cars Land(boy, I hope they change that name) opens right around the same time as "Cars 2" comes out. Think of the gala they're going to have for this... can you imagine all those little boys that will be watching the film debut in Paradise Pier and then want to run over and ride through Radiator Springs? Oh, the lines... the lines. Good times are coming.

Have patience. Change is not always good, but in this case... it is.

And just so you know, Lasseter has amassed a great deal more power in the last two years than people thought. His image grows with his success... if you want to see bigger budgets and greater detailed attractions just a simple bit of advise: Go see "WALL•E". Not that I have to tell many of you, but the more success Pixar keeps having the less reason Iger and the Suits have to say no to his request for uber-budgets that would have been undreamed of during the Pressler and Eisner Era, not to mention more "plussing" for all the attractions in general. So I repeat:

Go see "WALL•E". Many times. Over and over. Nuff said...

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In Gear

But it's also important to remember that while some aspects of the parks and resorts business are heading into choppy financial water, like the softening DVC sales and the murky future for existing and future hotels, the vast bulk of the DCA makeover is still right on track and fully funded. If anything, the biggest and splashiest features of that massive plan have only gotten bigger and splashier with big budgets solidly behind them.
The entry plaza makeover is moving full steam ahead with all of the eye candy and vintage red cars still in the plan. The new World of Color show is going to be massive and showcase ground-breaking technology. The Little Mermaid ride looks to be the sleeper hit of the park, with the most sophisticated animatronics available. And the sprawling Cars Land expansion is shaping up with one of the most innovative and amazing E Ticket dark rides since the Indiana Jones Adventure.

The bulldozers are set to arrive later this year, and with some luck so will the Preview Center, that is certain. But since we were all let in on the plans via the Internet and a Jay Rasulo press conference 18 months before we normally would have, it can seem as though nothing is happening and the whole plan is doomed. Nothing could be further from the truth.

http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al061708d.htm

ça serait bien d'avoir une traduction.

Tu veux pas 10 balles et un mars tant que t'y es ? Regarde dans un harrap's et pis c'est tout !

BYE-BYE SUN WHEEL
It's been long-rumored that the second phase of the Paradise Pier
makeover would start at the end of this summer, but a date has finally
firmed up, and the first thing to go will be the Sun Wheel come
September 11 when the attraction closes.


The attraction itself actually isn't going anywhere, but the Sun face
is. The attraction will be re-themed as "Mickey's Fun Wheel" and will
feature an over-sized Mickey Mouse face and new Victorian-era boardwalk
queue theming replacing the cement walls of the current queue.



Artist rendering copyright Disney

But what about the Mickey head that California Screamin' loops around?
That's moving on to YesterDCA, too in favor of a sunburst and Paradise
Pier logo.

Artist rendering copyright Disney



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J'avoue que je ne pige pas l'intérêt de ce changement. Autant il y a plein de choses à améliorer à DCA, autant le coaster (avec le looping dans la tête de Mickey) et la grande roue étaient les deux réussites esthétiques de Paradise Pear. Surtout que là, qu'est-ce qu'ils font ? Ils inversent en réalité les deux thémas: on aura la tête de Mickey sur la Grande Roue et, si j'ai bien compris, le soleil au niveau du looping du coaster. Qu'on m'explique vraiment à quoi ça sert, à part jeter de l'argent par les fenêtres (argent qui aurait pu servir à des choses plus utiles, quand on voit toutes les améliorations qu'ils ont décidé de supprimer...)

ils vont aussi remplacer les murs de béton qui servaient de file si j'ai bien compris

Il vont changer le thème de Sun Wheel ainsi que la file d'attente. Je pense que Disney's California Adventure à besoin d'autres changement que d'un nouveau thème pour une attraction très bien réussite.